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Sure, the revolutionary new bike looks cool and is nearly emission-free, but potential customers point out that it’s too quiet and thus, potentially dangerous:
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In fact, powered by a high-pressure hydrogen fuel cell, the recently unveiled bike is about as loud as the fan belt of a PC. Intelligent Energy, the British energy solutions company that built the prototype, is considering developing ways to give it an artificial engine noise so that it can make pedestrians immediately aware of its presence.
Dubbed the Emissions Neutral Vehicle (ENV), the bike derives its power from a briefcase-sized fuel cell unit that is completely detachable. The compact fuel cell is even capable of powering anything from a motorboat to a small house, says the company. The motorbike also relies on a battery pack that provides a 6kW peak load to the motor when accelerating.
Intelligent Energy contracted with well-known designers Seymourpowell to create the lightweight, streamlined and aerodynamic bike, which has no gears. Its top speed is about 50 miles per hour, but with further refinements, it’s expected to top that. The nearly zero-emission hybrid bike can travel for about 100 miles without refueling. “ENV is light, fast and fun,” says Seymourpowell director Nick Talbot. “It has good ground clearance, great off-road suspension travel and a very carefully considered power to weight ratio.” And it’s already been produced in two striking colors: black supergloss and iridescent white.
But it might not appeal to many traditional motorcycle aficionados, who thrill to the roar of the engine and the speed of the ride. “It fits the definition of a motorcycle, but not as we know it,” Jeff Stone, a spokesman for the British Motorcycle Federation, tells Reuters. “The motorcycle is a primitive thing and it appeals to the inner person. The excitement and exhilaration of a bike is why people ride them.” Still, Stone believes the “soft and cuddly” hybrid could serve riders well in city traffic.
But first, a major roadblock must be overcome: there’s only one refueling station in all of Britain that supplies hydrogen.
“The whole point of the project is to say the technology is here, it works, so now put the infrastructure up,” says Talbot.
Sources:
Fuel Cell Motorbike Unveiled, but Too Quiet?
Reuters, March 16, 2005
MSNBC
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7206396/
Intelligent Energy Launches the World’s First Purpose-Built Fuel-Cell Motorbike
March 15, 2005
Fuel Cell Today
www.fuelcelltoday.com
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jasonMay 5, 2005
I ride to work everyday and it is nice to have a louder exhaust. But I will buy a more fuel efficient/environmentally safe bike as soon as it is made available. There are ways to add noise to a quiet bike.
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Robert BrooksMay 5, 2005
In deference to the previous comment, without the noise and speed, I cannot imagine much of a market for these bikes other than off road. I have no idea what city driving is like in the British Isles, but Mr. Jeff Stone should already know that motorcyclists do not typically enjoy the constant and frequent foot up and down of city traffic.
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PaulMay 5, 2005
Add a sound chip that Goes BING Ba BING BING.
Some people just need to hear something or they will go nuts! -
RonMay 5, 2005
I do not understand the lack of noise being a safety issue. I have rode for many years and my Goldwing is very quiet. Automobiles do not react to the noise when you are coming toward them, they will not hear you until after you pass them. This fuel cell bike is an off road design, so what is the issue? Oh, maybe some riders really can not tell what gear they are in?? Or how to understand the Tachometer and only shift by sound? I personally would ride it.
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Marcus FryMay 5, 2005
I have been riding street bikes for over 20 years. I welcome this as the future of motorcycles providing they equal the overall performance of today’s bikes, power to weight ratios, etc. The lack of noise does not bother me at all, many gasoline powered cars are very quiet while on the road. Bikers tend to survive by being vigilant, well protected and visible. I also disagree with Mr. Stone’s commment: “The motorcycle is a primitive thing.” I am surprised at hearing such a comment from someone with his credentials, surely he is aware of the high state of refinement on modern day motorcycles, and the high degree of skill and committment needed to ride one well. Perhaps he meant to say the motorcycle is an elemental, rather than primitive, thing that appeals to the inner person.
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ScooterMay 5, 2005
If you want noise you could always put baseball cards in the spokes!
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ChrisMay 5, 2005
It will be odd riding a motorcycle that doesn’t make noise, but as long as it’s helping my wallet from the rising fuel prices, I’ll take it, and learn to live with honking my horn more than I do now.
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Jon GoldmanMay 5, 2005
I’ve heard it all before about needing a noisy bike so people know your coming — but most of the people that say it also wear black leather. So it’s all a load of BS.
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RicMay 5, 2005
Many things pass and the sound of a motor cycle engine will be another. We are dwelling on the sound, but the silent fuel cell will become the point of envy.
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May 5, 2005
This is a cool bike, but it’s not an internal combustion engine that runs on hydrogen, I don’t believe. It seems like a ‘compressed hydrogen motor’ rather than a hydrogen engine. Hydrogen engines are in use in cars and busses all over the world, and tiny little Iceland has a huge deployment of hydrogen fueled combustion engines that are 100% pollution free. Chrysler is investing 700M dollars for hydrogen research and development and all of the US car manufacturers and most foreign ones have working production ready fleets of hydrogen fueled combustion engine powered vehicles. The product of hydrogen combustion is water vapor! So, when a COMBUSTION based bike comes out, I will be the first to ride it and to make an audio headset to work with it :)
Hydrogen technology will finally fulfill the promise that propane power did for cars in the 50′s, except that it will be better and cleaner.
Ed
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Dan WolfMay 5, 2005
Most conventional motorcycles won’t be heard in a closed vehicle until they are beside your door.
However the “Thumpers” do provide a decent “Heads up”.
To stealth or not to stealth; That is the question.
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JohnMay 5, 2005
A silent off road bike makes sense to me. For those concerned with making noise in traffic- tie on a boombox. I’d be happy to ride the fuel cell bike.
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Craig AustinMay 5, 2005
I’ve always wanted to counter the “loud pipes save lives” comment with, “Have you ever considered how many deaf people have driver’s licenses?” The Florida School for the Deaf and Blind is just down the road in St. Augustine, and I dated a deaf girl for a few years. Actually, deaf people are probably better drivers than hearing people because they take less for granted. But the point is that a motorcyclist that assumes any injury he might suffer will be entirely his own fault is a safer motorcyclist than one who relies on others for his safety. Bring on the silent scooters! That feature alone might entice more motorists to adopt this frugal locomotion – less fear of the power – and further reduce commuting congestion.
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ManMay 5, 2005
Is everyone from Cali the land of the tree huggers. Or is this Euro-trash. People like what they like. It seems that everyone wants to tell people what to do and when to do it. Remember “FREEDOM”.Start worrying about yourselves more, Or go buy an SUV so you can be just like your neighbors.
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May 5, 2005
This is something great! the start of a “” NEW “” way of cost affective running a bike for the person going to work each day!! plus a new way of keeping things ”GREENER as we all have to think ahead, I have been riding motor bikes from the age of 14 years old! and made my own at 15 years old, ( mini bike ) and change is on the WAY if we like it or not ( Horse & cart to Model T ) get the picture !! having been a inventor for a living congratulations on the gust to give it a shot. ( http://www.inventorseeker.co.nz
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LarryMay 6, 2005
I can see this technology (including the briefcase-sized fuel cell unit that is completely detachable) as having value for the military.
The quiet operation is a plus for covert operations and I believe the 100 mile limit per fuel cell is acceptable for most deployment situations. -
May 6, 2005
I love the idea. It’s by far better than a 400lb. KLR w/ 24hp for the military (except as a lot of you guys pointed out after my last posting that it doesn’t run off diesel like the rest of the army). I’d ride the thing to/from work here in Central Washington in a heartbeat. It would need to be a little faster though for on-road use. As far as offroad, I’d love to demo this thing in the Desert 100 out in Odessa next year! By the way, how stable is the fuel cell in this thing? Any idea what would happen if someone put a round through it while I was trying to sneak away from the bad guys…?
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May 6, 2005
Oh yeah, as far as sound goes, the quieter the better. That’s one of the most talked about topics now that four-strokes have become the bike of choice in the off-road arena. Silence doesn’t kill people, idiots on two wheels do.
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SpenceMay 6, 2005
Fan belt of a PC? That must have been written by a motorhead :)
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tina hillMay 7, 2005
I would want at least a dozen of these sounds great to me I love the thought of the quiet and the fuel being hydrogen. what’s the problem and when can i expect to be able to purchase this item? I’ve rode many different bike and I ready to try this one.
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LarryMay 8, 2005
OK, what is “the fan belt of a PC?” I guess they mean the fan. This bike is just a first step. Obviously, many of the commenters don’t even realize what a fuel cell is or that this machine is propelled by an electric motor. If you have seen any reports on high-performance electric cars (e.g. the 245hp Venturi that does 0-60 in 4.3 sec.), you would know that electric motorcycles have the potential to be every bit as exciting as any bike on the road today, once they have been developed a little further! As far as the noise factor goes, if that’s the main enjoyment you get from riding, maybe your appreciation of your ride is a little primitive, even if the machinery isn’t.
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AlMay 9, 2005
How do I get one shipped to the United States of America, and how much?
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John WilliamsMay 10, 2005
In So Cali USA traffic gets slow & it helps at slow speeds to have a bike with BANG.
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Ron RubMay 10, 2005
This is completly off beat, I happen to use an electric scooter to go shopping as I normally live in an electric wheel chair. I have 3 sets of batteries on my scooter each set cost $60 this is so I can get a bit further than 5 miles one way, I had to push it home one day with one leg. Why can’t any one of the cycle makers make a hybrid scooter, I use the gas of any kind to get to a store and the switch to battery to get around inside. There are thousands of us confined to using scooters but limited to how long the battery(s) will last, HELP US………..
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BillMay 10, 2005
The noise, dull people, is for neither you nor the automobile driver ensconced safetly behind his
walls of steel. It is instead for the poor pedesterian who may never hear this thing coming from behind him or over the hill and step into its path. The deaf have the advantage here because they will look before they move.
This reminds me of the young lady in our office who once said ” I didn’t need to turn on my lights this morning, I could see through the fog.” As we gently explained to her, “The lights, dear lady, are not for you, but for the rest of us”. -
Yvan WMay 10, 2005
Some folks missed that sound volume is for warning pedestrians. With Walkmen & cellphones in competition,it becomes an issue. Think of it as Darwin’s latest hurddle for us bi-peds. Still, I’d give one a try. I favored my Kawasaki 1000 for its quiet in the wee hours.
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duaneMay 10, 2005
“but potential customers point out that it’s too quiet and thus, potentially dangerous” he must have talked to some “loud pipes save lives” nut cases that believe they are the only ones with ‘RIGHTS’ while they totally ignore the rights of everyone that doesn’t want to listen to the noise they make. There’s nothing unsafe about a bike that doesn’t make any noise, peddle bicycles don’t make noise. The problem is that the rider of the motorcycle doesn’t attract attention by interfering with the rights of others. If their mothers paid attention to them when they were 2 perhaps they wouldn’t have to go to such extreme measures (spending $2,000US on a pipe) to attract attention as adults.
“Dubbed the Emissions Neutral Vehicle (ENV)” since when is Hydrogen emissions neutral? Please go find out how they make hydrogen, anything but emmissions neutral. To make it they crack hydrocarbons. What do you think they do with all the carbon waste? It takes energy to crack the hydrocarbons to carbon and hydrogen and then compress the hydrogen, about the same energy you get back when you burn the hydrogen. Where do you think they get that energy from, they burn hydrocarbons. Hydrogen is the “perputual energy machine” of 2000. It’s never going to work. You want cheaper oil advocate for the building of nuclear electrical generating plants and stop burning natural gas in gas turbine peaking plants arround the country to meet peak power loads. You’ll see a fall in the cost of oil that’s unthought of. Sell your SUV and by a Hyundai Accent. You want “green” encourage wind generation of electic energy, by spending the money spent on hydrogen research erecting wind power plants.
This thing produces an amazing 8 peak HP(“6 kw”). It’s got a battery and tank and fuel cell. It’s got to weight in at more then 150 pounds. I’d consider this “very carefully considered power to weight ratio.” of less then 0.053 hp/pound. Even Hardly Ableson’s from the factory have a ratio of more then 0.1 hp/pound.
So give me a break. It’s a good scooter and with one place to fill up and a range of 100 miles you better have good soles on your shoes.
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qwerrkMay 10, 2005
Ed, Where the heck didja get “internal combustion” or “compressed hydrogen motor” out of the article??! SLAP! Dude, wake-up, it’s a fuel cell! More than likely, it’s a PEM stack (a stack of proton exchange membranes <– search w Google).
And, ya so it’s noiseless — bfd! Slap an iPod/Walkman on the handlebars, turn up the jams and haul buns (well, 50mph anyway).
I had wondered what they meant by “about as noisy as a fan belt of a PC” ?? I have yet to spot a PC with a fan belt, so either it is dead quiet or they decided that “PC” should suddenly mean passenger car… :rolleyes: Editor!!
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Terry S.May 10, 2005
A quiet engine means I could listen to my music!
Sounds good to me. -
May 10, 2005
First Fuel-Cell Motorbike is Snazzy but Silent
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SteveMay 10, 2005
Has anyone considered just how explosive a compressed tank of hydrogen could be between one’s legs?
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DougMay 10, 2005
I rode bikes for many years. I could never understand why most want something that is loud and obnoxious. I rode like the wind and wanted my bike to reflect this: I come and go like the wind. Maybe those guys who need big sound do so because they are lacking in other areas ;-D
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PeteMay 11, 2005
What is wrong with them? Sale to benefit NO or little noise and the same pollution – in someplace noise is considered pollution, as well. It is about time for silent – forget about the possible deadly – safety could be replaced with light or smell, it does not have to be loud horrible noise.
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John PalmerMay 11, 2005
I have an electric evo bike that is silent. No problem. However, the top speed of the bike is 25 mph. This is too fast for me! I ride under 20 mph. I can’t imagine riding 50 mph on a bike.
If, it was set-up like a motorcycle O.K., i.e. bigger tires, stronger frame, etc.
My bike is not sexy, like a Marlon Brando Hog, but it is loads of fun!
I’m 65, a bike is for me. With more seniors in the pipeline there is great prospect for pedaless bikes.
The downsides of my bike are three; the lack of syspension is hard on my butt, the lack of range (I’d like 50 miles), and of course, as every cyclist knows, cars not attentive to you and your safety. -
Larry MastMay 11, 2005
I’ve been riding motorcycles for 35+ years, both on-road and off. Quiet is better. Motorcyclists get hit because they are not seen by automobile drivers or go too fast for road conditions or experience. Pedestrians have to be seen by motorcyclists and avoided by motorcyclists. Pedestrians need to look for other traffic including other pedestrians (quiet), bicyclists (quiet), and motorized vehicles traveling at higher speeds with more momentum. I’d get one of the new motorcyclists in a heart-beat, depending on cost. It would be great for commuting to work and even better for sneaking up on Bambi in the woods during hunting season or just sight-seeing out in nature. I assume the motor is electric and fueled by a hydrogen oxidizing fuel cell converter to create electricity like on space vehicles (statement and question). One could get a cylinder of hydrogen for a gas supplier and keept it chained at home for refueling…with proper adapters. I also have some concern about the stability of a hydrogen gas storage cylinder. Remember the Air Ship Hindenberg? Torque of the drive train would also be an issue if the MC weights 150-200 pounds and the rider 150 or more and the terrain is climbing upward at a fairly high rate of climb…and for accelleration both on flat and upward inclined surfaces…especially if off-road hilly terrain or in passing conditions on the road.
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HeatherMay 11, 2005
The Hindenberg did not explode due it’s being hydrogen, it was due to a coating not unlike rocket fuel on it. See below:
http://www.ch2bc.org/hindenburg.htm
Hydrogen-fuelled internal combustion engines in vehicles do not yet exist in huge mass quantities as alluded to here. They are in the development stages, same as fuel cells. Also, hydrogen can come from many sources, including petroleum-based (read: contains carbon) fuels as well as water. Hydrogen is not any more dangerous than any other fuel out there. Spend your time productively supporting hydrogen (and other alternative fuels) infrastructure development in your area (read: build gas stations that supply those fuels), and don’t waste your time debating the usefulness of more unnecessary noise because it is the “primitive” hardwiring of your genes. I love my quiet bicycle and my quiet compact car. I do not buy vehicles because they’re loud, and I enjoy retaining my hearing ability because of the choices I make.
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May 12, 2005
A noiseless bike has military applications where quiet is “stealthy”. Recon units could quickly move up hills and mountains with little “noise signature”.
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BOB WELCHMay 12, 2005
IT HAS ENOUGHT ENERGY TO POWER YOUR FAVORITE AUDIO DEVICE SO LET THAT BE YOUR NOISE FACTOR. EXTERNAL SPEAKERS AND A FEW PO’D LISTENERS SHOULD KEEP THE HARD CORE MOTORCYCLIST APPEASED.
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Elimae WalshMay 24, 2005
Want noise got baby right here in my arms!!! Or mabey… I,ll give ya a big ol Wet yah daddy!
I,ve waited since 1987 when I read the popular Science/mechanics mags that had those mysterious machines mentioned in them about some hydralic cam driven dream machine. That I could taste on my lips then VERRRY SWEEEET! Iwantto pick one right now, from that deletable strawberry patch!
I Love IT EMW -
Tracy einJune 1, 2005
you have to realize that noise is not your protection,.. wisdom is ride defensively and you will not need noise. tis vehicle is long over due,
great from off loading from the truck for in city commute and the daily work commute. -
Jeremy R. Hertzberg, BS CMPEJune 2, 2005
I ride to work on a bicycle with a loud two-stroke engine. People rarely notice, except if they are looking in my direction. A ‘silent’ bike is a great thing. Keep up the good work.
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Encil L TruebloodJuly 10, 2005
Whoever
I like it.
If I could get a low cost fuel cell I would build a bike myself.
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LarryOctober 30, 2006
I’ve been riding and commuting on motorcyles over 40 years and would use one if hydrogen gas was readily availble for home use.
The military seems a great fit: insurgency operations and intelligence gathering…quite, long range, what more could you ask for if temperature operating range of the motor and fuel cell were good.
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Noise is a big part of a bikes enjoyment and protection. Screw the fuel cells for bikes. Save them for the Auto Industry.
Mountain biking provides off road enjoyment with minimal noise and my 1100cc BMW is quieter than most vehicles around it, so I can’t understand why noise (or the lack thereof) is a safety concern. The cleaner and quieter the better. I’d ride them!